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Apr. 7th, 2012



Think I may have to give up on it.

Not that I don't love and adore the universe and stories I've planned for it - but it's too big and too huge and I've got too much happening to write it.

So with that in mind - and given my propensity for picking up and working on projects long after abandoning them, and considering exactly how complicated L:VH's plans were to be - I'm opening a question post.

In short: ask me any question about L:VH and I will answer it fully and completely. It may end up slightly incoherent at times, because some of the plotlines were slightly incoherent in my mind, but I will do my best to answer them.

Yes, this includes big spoiler-y questions like 'So, does Linkara actually throw himself off a building?'

As for whether I'll ever pick up L:VH...the answer is, I don't know. Maybe one day.

ETA: I'll just throw out, incidentally, the Big Secrets that the OCs were hiding:

Ko was Aspect of the Stars. Hence her abilities in divination.

Candra was Aspect of the Moon. Hence her connection to the werewolves, her remarkable amounts of knowledge with them, her attitude towards Ko and her mercurial nature.

Hugh was the Metatron. No. Really. He was the Seraphim that was watching them.

The 'swan that loses it's wings' in the prophecy Ko speaks of is Linkara.

The Woman in White and the Man In Fatigues were the same being, which was God.

Cry was previously a Renegade, who had been captured and was forced into slavery, hence his wearing the golden bands.

Eztli has been lying about her age - she tells people she's over a hundred years old. In actual fact, she's not even a century old. She was changed in the '50s, and was in love with the Demon Slayer then. She tried to have him changed as well, but his nature as the Demon Slayer prevented it.

Tiamat is batshit fucking loco.

The High Priestess of the Sect of Diedievaite turns out to be the next Big Bad, and is responsible for the Unholy Plague. She eats kittens for breakfast. Well, actually, not really, but she's evil enough to.


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Apr. 7th, 2012 03:45 am (UTC)
Real life comes first dear, no worries, BUT... does Critic end up happy and/or at least getting The Other Guy back?
Apr. 7th, 2012 03:53 am (UTC)
The Critic does find the Other Guy back...but he doesn't receive his soul. When he confronts the Devil about it, he's told that he can have his soul back, but only if he returns all of his magical powers. Which means, as Lucifer cheerfully points out, losing the ability to go and locate the rest of the Channel Awesome crew. The agreement did say he'd return his soul once he had no more need of the power...

Critic's story is pretty much a giant 'TO BE CONTINUED' as he rides off into the sunset to find the other CA folks. But that's pretty much his happy ending because, really, that's what he wants - to be able to go and find his friends.

Yes. That's right. L:VH was slated to have a happy ending.
Apr. 7th, 2012 02:34 pm (UTC)
Oooh, lovely, thank you!

Yes. That's right. L:VH was slated to have a happy ending.

Unlike my plans for Hooker!Verse ends. Bittersweetness all round, baby. :D
Apr. 7th, 2012 01:37 pm (UTC)
Although I'm sorry to see this put on hold, Real Life, while aggravating in its' neediness, should definitely come first. You put a lot of heart and soul into this story, and I hope you can come back to it one day. :)

In the meantime, can you tell me what we don't know/were eventually going to find out about Benzaie and Joe? And what about Scarlett? What happened with her?
Apr. 7th, 2012 09:22 pm (UTC)
Eventually, we would find out that Benzaie and Joe gave up their fluidity to save Uriel, who had been travelling with them, Candra and Ko - that's who Candra is referring to when she says 'No, I haven't heard from her, she went home'.

Part of the bargain of relinquishing fluidity is that you gain knowledge of the hour and manner of your death. Benzaie doesn't die in the series - the cure for the Unholy Plague is found before that can happen. Joe, on the other hand does die.

Linkara kills him.

...yeah, there's a reason Joe's been kinda pissed at Linkara all fic.

To expand on that: The reason Linkara kills him is because Linkara gets kidnapped by the High Priestess of Diedievaite and Tiamat (who would turn out, at the end of the Lovers Demonic storyline, to be the new Big Bads) and Tiamat pretty much tortures and brainwashes him. Remember that interval where he's on the run with a girl he loves? The girl is Tiamat. In trying to defend her, he ends up killing Joe, which is what it takes to snap him out of the brainwashing and bring him back to the good guys side.

This is, incidentally, what the prophecy was a metaphor for - his fall from grace.

What was going to happen with Scarlett was a compromise I came up with in order to stop myself from feeling so awkward about writing her post-the breakup, which was that at the end of the Lovers Demonic storyline, the Lovers Demonic actually do end up possessing Scarlett and Spoony. Spoony feels a gigantic amount of pity for the Lovers Demonic, and offers to hide them away, to offer them a safe place inside his own heart and soul where they can be together forever - in turn, relinquishing his own fate. They accept, and as reward for this, cure Scarlett and give Spoony control over fire. However, the price for this is that Spoony and Scarlett can no longer touch each other, so Scarlett leaves Chicago.
Jul. 4th, 2012 09:53 am (UTC)
However, the price for this is that Spoony and Scarlett can no longer touch each other, so Scarlett leaves Chicago.

I read that line after I watched Spoony's review of Breaking Dawn and got to the bit where he said "'Ooh, I'll never touch another human being, I'll never have sex...' Dude, I have seen people who have some crazy fucked-up latex sex. You can work this out. This is not impossible." Now I can't help but laugh hysterically whenever I read it. Sorry.
Jul. 7th, 2012 10:14 am (UTC)
Fair enough. I think I actually had it something more along the lines of 'They just can't love each other' originally, but wanted to make it something a bit more concrete and immediate.
Jul. 7th, 2012 12:08 pm (UTC)
Fair enough. BTW, thanks for writing this- even if it never gets finished, it's still bloody awesome.
Apr. 7th, 2012 04:11 pm (UTC) Linkara throw himself off of a building?

Was TOG going to go with Critic to find the other CA people?
Apr. 7th, 2012 09:30 pm (UTC)
Yes, he does.

As I explain in Rachelle's answer, post-Lovers Demonic storyline, Tiamat and the High Priestess of Diedievaite were going to be revealed to be the Big Bads (in fact, the High Priestess was responsible for the Unholy Plague - Diedievaite is the goddess of the Black Plague, after all). Tiamat brainwashes Linkara, causes him to become a bad guy and kill Joe. This gets him monumentally depressed. When he realizes that the brainwashing also resulted in him bearing the scars he saw in the prophecy, he finally just gives up, goes to the highest building, and drops.

He gets better, thought it takes a lot of curb-stomping from the others and several revelations of secrets other people were trying to keep hidden. And Goggles being a badass.

I hadn't really decided whether TOG was going with Critic to find other CA people or not. Probably.
Apr. 8th, 2012 12:12 am (UTC)
Aw, do your best!

In the meantime, what *is* the cure for the Unholy Plague and how is it discovered? Tying in to that, how is the subplot with Film Brain's coded Vlogs resolved?
Apr. 8th, 2012 12:27 am (UTC)
There *is* a cure for the Unholy Plague - it is incredibly obvious and wholly unpleasant. Specifically, in involves an ice bath of holy water. It's discovered because there was going to be a storyline in the future relating to the Renegades and, more specifically, Cry, Nerd and Critic. It would have revealed that the bangles around Cry's wrists and waist were in fact the punishment for Renegades (hence why they are gold rather than beryl). Cry gets released, and is able to help Critic remove the spells on the cure.

However, this doesn't actually remove the spells on the cure - what it does do is free Film Brain, who died but is now haunting his computer files. Together, they manage to find a cure for the Unholy Plague. Unfortunately, the cure only works for people in the first three stages of the disease, and by this stage, Benzaie is too far gone for them to heal. No worries, though, as part of the giant climax at the end features him getting healed of the Unholy Plague when God is released and Uber Holy Rain comes down.

(This is because every time it rained in story, it was meant to be symbolic of God's presence in some way, shape or form.)

...yeah, as I commented, I decided to make a gigantic change from In Space and give L:VH a happy ending.
Apr. 11th, 2012 03:53 am (UTC)
...I had to read the revelation about Linkara twice. I was about to go all cryface and then I read it again. PHEW.

What does the epilogue entail?
Apr. 11th, 2012 05:28 am (UTC)
The epilogue involves three scenes with the next Demon Slayer on a beach, one when she is eight, one when she is twenty-four, one when she is a far older woman, teaching the next Demon Slayer after her.

In the first scene, Linkara is telling her the story of the Lovers Demonic, and chastising her for skipping classes when Eztli, the demonic influence removed from her (and hence, now an old woman), comes by and says hello. They speak a while, Linkara expresses his desire to train her when she's older.

In the second scene, Linkara describes to her the final scene of the last chapter, and tells her that he can't help her on her mission, that she has to figure it out for herself, especially since (with fluidity returned to the world), prophecies and Tasks no longer exist. She leaves, Linkara removes his coat, hat, shoes and socks, walks into the surf where he meets the Woman in White, who holds out her hand and leads him deeper into the sea. The narration notes he is never seen again.

In the third scene, she returns to the tree where they used to speak after being away for many years, finds where he left his hat, coat, shoes and socks (mysteriously untouched after all these years) and settles down, only to be interrupted by the next Demon Slayer, a young boy with bright blue eyes, a smudge on one cheek and a weird, lilting accent. She asks him why he isn't at his lessons.
Apr. 14th, 2012 07:03 pm (UTC)
So many questions
Do Goggles, Marzgurl, Spoony, Nostalgia Chick, The Nerd, and Suede get happy endings?

What is up with Goggles powers?

Is Linkara walking into the ocean supposed to be a happy ending for him?

What happens when a Demon Slayer breeds with a werewolf?
Apr. 14th, 2012 08:35 pm (UTC)
Re: So many questions
For given values of happiness. I didn't have everybody's exact ending in mind, but...

Goggles gets to help set up an orphanage like the one LMG set up.

Nostalgia Chick becomes something like Tiamat, but because she was the unholy turned holy, she is significantly more stable and becomes a lot happier as a result.

MarzGurl relinquishes the power of the Aspect of All That Grows and becomes a normal human, although it's noted that she never needs hairdye again.

Suede's vampirism is healed.

Goggles' power comes because the question she had to find the answer for was 'Where on the Hierarchy are humans?' The answer is 'Wherever they choose to be'. Goggles has enormous strength of will, and this manifests itself as her being able to simply shift where she is on the Hierarchy. Since beings on the Hierarchy *must* obey beings that are higher on the Hierarchy...yes. When she gets into a curb-stomp battle with Hugh, the Metatron, it's lampshaded that she essentially gave herself the same level of authority as God, which should technically be impossible.

Linkara's happy ending was getting to see all his friends happy and safe. Sending off a new, trained Demon Slayer made sure they were safe, and getting to head off to Heaven to be with his deceased friends and his friends among the Angels I'm sure would have been fun.

Candra would at one stage explain that there was a child of a Demon Slayer and a werewolf who wrecked havoc on the world when they were born, because, like Tiamat, they would be a creature that was something unnatural. For the most part, it's werewolf superstition these days.
Jul. 4th, 2012 09:55 am (UTC)
So what was Goggles to the Asutras? Some kind of overlady?

Also, what happened to Tiamat? I know you said she becomes the next Big Bad, but does Linkara kill her?
Jul. 7th, 2012 10:21 am (UTC)
So what was Goggles to the Asutras? Some kind of overlady?
The question Goggles had to answer was 'Where on the Hiearachy are humans', the answer being 'Wherever they need to be'. When the Asuras are rebelling, she manages to force herself into being in a position on the Hierarchy higher than they are, forcing them to bow to her in submission (hence referring to her as 'Lord'). So, in a sense, yes, she becomes an overlady to them. This hits points of ridiculousness when she goes and manages to overpower the Metatron by doing the exact same thing, essentially making herself equal to God, who promptly appears and gives her a standing ovation, because seriously, when you do something like that, even the big guy has to applaud you.

Also, what happened to Tiamat? I know you said she becomes the next Big Bad, but does Linkara kill her?
The High Priestess kills her. Her plan by the end was to use her blood and a spell (which required the blood of the holy turned unholy) to let the demons of hell run loose over the Earth. She wanted to use Linkara, hence having Tiamat corrupt him, but decides that Tiamat will do. Shortly before she dies, she does a Heel Face Turn (shown by the narrative referring to her as Otsana again) and tells Linkara that the way to make the spell backfire is to replace her blood with that of the unholy turned holy. So they get Chick to feed from Otsana, and she manages to replace Tiamat's blood in the spell, breaking the Wall and restoring balance. Because Linkara is clever that way, and manages to put pieces together from relatively few words uttered by poor Otsana.
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